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Maximillian Bonaparte
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Posted - 2017.03.13 18:07:49 -
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renwahh wrote:The only change I would make to Low Sec is
Option to deploy bubbles.
Option to bomb stuff.
Give sentries a higher damage output
only difference would be the sentries and sec status compared to high and null sec
NO!!
The nice thing about a free-to-pew area with no bubbles is that you can move around MUCH faster.
Increasing gate gun damage would reduce 50% of the pvp in lwosec...lets not do that!
Lowsec is mostly for fast paced PvP, not null-bears like you might be . :)
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Maximillian Bonaparte
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Posted - 2017.03.13 18:13:19 -
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Ijon-Tichy wrote:I would change low-sec like that: - Get rid of sec status in low, it is just a nuisance. Gate and stations guns would get obsolete that way too. - Ban capitals and make it a glorious battlefield for battleship fleets.
You could do, however I like my RED sec status. Its psychological. BUT it would be nice if there was something more tenable to it...something that criminals get that others cannot if we are punished from access to highsec.
Perhaps access to more pirate agents IN lowsec... Perhaps the ability to where certain pirate skins. Perhaps a special kind of incursion for pirates only?
Something...
Other than that I am fine with lowsec as it is. I only wish there was a little more of it. :)
Also, its hard as **** to recruit people into lowsec PvP (good people) as simple pirates. |
Maximillian Bonaparte
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Posted - 2017.03.15 18:28:49 -
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Umm guys...
The idea of not allowing JF's to do what they are meant to do into lowsec will kill a LOT of lowsec content.
It kills any markets in lowsec, prevents a lot of corps from getting ships and supplies into lowsec, and ... JF's are about 7 billion isk each, so forcing them to go through gates would reduce their use.
Also, lowsec sometimes is a halfway point for JF's who dont have the range to get to null...or supply dumps for similar purpose. It would also utterly kill the moon-goo market.
Removing cyno action is lowsec is just generally not a good idea.
Lowsec is mostly FINE the way it is, some places are quiet some places are hot.
It would be nice is there was something like pirate FW as long as a 'pirate' who joins up with angel cartel or something can still run ded sites (cuz why not), or simply create a capsuleer faction equivalent for each pirate type for us to join.
The reality is most people are too lazy to live in lowsec. Most people are boring, incurious, stupid, brain-dead, and cowardly little herd animals. And yes this is a DELIBERATE insult to people who are prejudiced against lowsec. :)
It takes a certain kind of adventurous mentality to live in lowsec. I am perhaps a cynic but most highseccers and probably most nullseccers are not mentally prepared to deal with the challenges of lowsec, though the challenges are very rewarding when overcome.
"1) Good. We agree. Lack of cynos in LS will not impair LS logistics." **** no! We dont agree, and I am sure anyone who makes their homes in lowsec will be on my side. Get out before we a l wardec you! :P |
Maximillian Bonaparte
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Posted - 2017.03.17 18:03:25 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Lan Wang wrote:HE WANTS A LESS REWARD VERSION OF LVL 5 MISSIONS ADDED TO HIGHSEC SO HE DOESNT HAVE TO DEAL WITH PVP'ERS IN LOWSEC, THAT IS A CHANGE TO LOWSEC BECAUSE LVL 5'S ARE UNIQUE TO LOWSEC
Vs MoonDragn wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:
So what exactly do you want changed in LS?
I don't want LS to change. Btfo, bro. Plus the ridiculous attempt by you to claim he had answered my question, 2mins 21secs before he answered it. I specifically warned you to stop your desperate interception play for a bit. Did you listen, no. GJ. This is the result.
Salvos, I am calling you out... you seem to be all over this thread with a lot of weird behavior, and preconceived notions about lowsec.
I see you (at least this toon), has been in an NPC corp for over three years, and your killboard shows you do not kill people, and have only died a few times over the years in lowsec. So, where is your main-toon that has been operating in lowsec?
What I am seeing here is on one side, people who do NOT thrive in lowsec who want to change things like, remove cynos, add more gate gun aggro, add concord whatever... And on the other side people who DO thrive in lowsec saying 'ya know mostly its fine, you just have to learn how to do it right'. Of course some people will never go because they would rather not be challenged in any way, at least not presently. Lowsec is indeed a hard challenge, but with some effort and practice you can learn to love it.
I think there should be more incentive for people to go to lowsec for one, no blue donut and continued mechanics that reduce the 'fleet blobs' you see in nullsec. And once that incentive is there, actually add MORE lowsec. Because lets face it, most of lowsec is already a narrow zone between empire space and null...not a lot more lwosec but a wee bit more. :)
Lowsec is nice because you can travel quickly through it without worrying about bubbles to slow you down. It is clsoer to trade hubs. The pvp content is smaller scale. The space is not 'owned' by anyone. It is one of the most free-spirited and fearless ways to play imho.
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Maximillian Bonaparte
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Posted - 2017.03.17 18:29:56 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Maximillian Bonaparte wrote:Lowsec is nice because you can travel quickly through it without worrying about bubbles to slow you down. It is clsoer to trade hubs Hmm. Such nice quick travel. Wow, such no bubbles. Trade hub nearby yumyum. Quite telling, when one reads between the lines. Which reads: "LS cant do **** to stop me moving mats between HS and NS trolololol." Also GJ completely ignoring the content/context of what you quoted me on.
Cause umm...
what??
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Maximillian Bonaparte
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Posted - 2017.03.20 18:26:04 -
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Rotho Ataru wrote:Lan Wang wrote:No offense but you are with darkness which is a nullsec alliance, darkness is never in lowsec, what gives you the idea that Lowsec isn't alive? In game map or DotLan. FW space is active. Everywhere else in low sec... not really.
This is generally true and where I have found the best PvP content.
You could add pirate FW to other parts of lowsec (or increase the size of certain parts of lowsec) to make them even more interesting.
Other parts of lowsec do have their advantages though.
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Maximillian Bonaparte
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Posted - 2017.03.20 18:26:57 -
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Orakkus wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Explain to me how cynos/caps are justified in LS.
Citadel bashing POS bashing Other caps Combat Escalation
Yes and not to mention jump freighters to get ships out to...well anywhere there is PvP content. |
Maximillian Bonaparte
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Posted - 2017.03.21 18:16:47 -
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Alaric Faelen wrote:I've always thought that it's sort of backwards that Low Sec is less dangerous than Null Sec. Using the Age of Sail as a blueprint, I see High Sec as the old big empires of Europe where the markets were. Null Sec is the New World or India where the exotic resources were harvested, but under fairly strong local control by semi-freelance corporations (like the East India company which had it's own military/mercenary arm). Low Sec is that long, dangerous space in between the two. Thus, it should be Low Sec which is truly lawless, has warp bubbles, etc. Not claimable- anyone there is a 'pirate' by default. Soldiers on opposing sides use that space to interdict their enemy's goods and pirates try to interdict it all. The real difference between piracy and legitimate warfare just a little fuzzy. If more resources were being harvested in Low Sec, and transported thru Low Sec (as opposed to jump bridging right past it), then it would matter much more to the whole game. Make FW ownership of space matter more to the free flow of goods and it becomes part of everyone's interests to keep it stable. Null Sec, as well as the NPC empires.
Astute observations.
I think that the problem with factional warfare though is the LP system. You can farm, farm, farm in a cheap stabbed frig with very little risk, and running away repeatedly. I HATE stabbed FW farmers and still kill them with double scrams when I can.
Instead of LP, if there was a tangible object, tag, loot, or somehting that they have to 'sell' or convert to lp with some value, this would make FW far more benificial and interesting for all parties: militia, pirates, privateers. Ofc you would have to increase the reward just a little bit.
Another intersting factoid about RL pirate history, is that it was often secretly sponsored, encouraged, or tolerated by 'legitimate' entrepeneurs who were corrupt.
But yeah I think there would need to be a new system or essential supply in lowsec that you can get.
Also I think lately there is a problem about PvP training. Eve-Uni is jsut not cutting it, RvB is restarting but not what it was, but if people learned how to solo or small gang PvP they would be more inclined to try lowsec. OR AGAIN, mission agent incentive to PvP in lwosec that is NOT faction warfare LP farming. We need more pirate agents or constable agents or something like that.
Nullsec PvP is different. Its groupthink PvP...which is why they all lost to Lowsec pvp-ers during World War Bee. :)
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Maximillian Bonaparte
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Posted - 2017.03.22 18:03:30 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote: LS players want a non-cyno, sub-cap zone to PvP in and intercept NS/HS material transport in.
Got stats or anything to support that opinion of yours? The insane volume of material transport between HS and NS, passing/cynoing through LS with impunity (under a cap umbrella), is support enough. Or do you really think LS doesnt want to pirate the hell out of that enormous bounty?
Hmmm...
I think as said before you will then have a huge amount of gate-camping to go after that stuff.
I don't mind a little bit of gate camping.
But for me and a lot of others it is the lazy man's PvP content...not quite as lively as going on the hunt.
Yeah I think there is already enough gate camping. :) Too much of it and you kill the content behind the camps.
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Maximillian Bonaparte
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Posted - 2017.03.22 18:12:06 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Scialt wrote:
[quote=Scialt]It would seriously put breaks on industrial/PVE/FW operations due to the larger number of gatecamps that would pop up (due to their being more targets).
Lack of cynos/caps doesnt put a break on those. (as in two quotes above). Gatecamps already exist. The number of gatecamps is irrelevant, since cynos jump past them as is now. .
Oh yes it does.
You want to bring in materials to build a cap ship, best way is JF.
You want to get ships in for your lowsec PvP corp, best way is JF.
You want to mine and manufactures stuff from moon goo? Best way to get it out is with a JF.
You want to get market stuff out to nullsec, or get back to highsec from nullsec, you have to light a cyno in lowsec!
Why dont you spend some time really living most of your life in lowsec or even nullsec to get this understanding?
However, if you want to ban supercaps from lowsec, and possibly even capitals...that might make thigns rather interesting. :) Veeery interesting indeed! Price of marauders, battleships, and T3's would go up, bashing pos's would be harder, the major lowsec power blocks such as Shadow Cartel would have to move to nullsec or seriously rework all their doctrines and tactics to a point that they might collapse, and give an opening for many more pilots who dont fly capitals to thrive in lowsec. :)
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Maximillian Bonaparte
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Posted - 2017.03.22 18:27:21 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Maximillian Bonaparte wrote:Snip There are 3400 NS systems to use JFs inorder to bypass bubbles/gatecamps. Use them there, where they belong. JFs with cynos make a mockery of LS.
What is it that you DO in lowsec again? Are you a gatecamper? LOL
I really don't understand the motivation behind your argument other than simply to make an argument for its own sake. |
Maximillian Bonaparte
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Posted - 2017.03.22 18:29:52 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Maximillian Bonaparte wrote:Snip There are 3400 NS systems to use JFs inorder to bypass bubbles/gatecamps. Use them there, where they belong. JFs with cynos make a mockery of LS. I remember the days when convoys to move stuff were a thing - along with security for them through space. I was too new to be a part of it, but I have seen endless posts and descriptions about it. The effort a corp/alliance had to put in it, and the things that happened around it. It was on the level of being at war, and a corp could get its back broken on poor planning or poor security. Of the many things that killed lowsec, JFs was one of them.
Maybe but all I know is that today no one who lives in lwosec ever makes an argument against cyno's really.
An I like to use my JF to get stuff in. Otherwise I would NOT live in lowsec. |
Maximillian Bonaparte
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Posted - 2017.03.23 17:47:38 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Orakkus wrote:So, does everyone have their own idea about how to make low-sec good, I don't know about everyone, but I do. Get rid of it. All you need is lawful space and lawless space. No need for some in between space that makes no one happy. Mr Epeen Were it up to me (and my sig) every system would be highsec. And lowsec. And nullsec. Highsec would be the planets and gates zone of the solar system, the planets and gates that matter to commerce and are therefore protected. Lowsec would be the backwater planets, the outer orbits. You can do bad things, but people are gonna know about it. Nullsec would be the space beyond the system, way beyond. And there would even be gates way out there. And deep space exploration too with much wonder and darkness and risk. All in one system. Every system. But.... we can't have nice things. It's only a pipe dream anyway.
Yeah that would be a different game altogether no matter the merit in your idea. :) Buuut if every gate is highsec what are the poor lill' piwates gonna do when they need to innocently travel?
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Maximillian Bonaparte
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Posted - 2017.03.23 17:53:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer) wrote:
You just described the losec of olde, back when the term "piracy" really applied to lowsec (not just griefers and bored campers coopting the name).
I would resub for that kind of action. Two accounts.
Heh, sometimes older is NOT better. You are a 'solo' lowsec player, as indicated in your earlier posts. So your agenda is to argue against anythign that brings people to live in lowsec.
From what I have been told the convoys of freighter traffic were always a nightmare to setup requiring days of full-time preparation. Besides how long ago was that? Was it when the eve population was half what it is today?
I salute you for your solo 'quiet corner of lowsec' style of game-play, and I think there are sill many parts of lowsec where you can do that (it changes but sometimes ya gotta be nomadic). However there are other types of players who appreciate teamwork and an online social life. There are other games you can play alone such as Elite Dangerous if you wanna break from Eve...but eve shines with teamwork and group content. |
Maximillian Bonaparte
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Posted - 2017.03.26 19:37:42 -
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I think it is important to point out that the two people on this thread who are arguing for drastic changes to lowsec do not thrive there.
Lowsec is about PvP isnt it? Zkill is pretty much a good way to get intel on what people are about.
Herzog Wolfhammer
and
Salvos Rhoska
If you compare them to someone like...
Lan Wang
or even me...you can see whats up.
Maybe they are not to blame because no one has ever 'taught' them what lowsec pvp is about...but maybe they are to blame for never getting into a ship with the intention of fighting, loosing it, and LEARNING what lowsec PvP is about...and then from there joining a corp that ALSO knows what lowsec PvP is about - how it is funded, and the supply and logistics involved to maintian the content.
Like i said before, the people that thrive in lowsec do have their complaints - but NONE of them ever complain about cynos and especially jump freighters.
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Maximillian Bonaparte
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Posted - 2017.03.27 18:16:51 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Maximillian Bonaparte wrote:Snip. Heh, killboard epeening. Removing cynos/caps from LS will increase PvP content, not reduce it. JFs are making a mockery of LS, and largely benefit only large/wealthy/older corps. JFs are a 90day train just to sit in, and 7+bil off the market to buy. That is well beyond the capacity of newer players. How about those new players join corp where they will learn how to live in low-sec and get the support of said corp who, if it's worth anything, will already have at least one JF to help handle the entire corp's logistic need. "Think of the children" is not a good argument.
Exactly!
Also to say that older vet players 'control' lowsec is a falsehood. Thanks to Novice FW plexes only t1 frigates can enter them. So my suggestion for the new player is to get in a cheap t1 frigate with several backups ready to go (as it will get blown up) and get out into some FW space, and investigate the novice plexes.
Eventually you will get a fight, and eventually even win! :) Congrats, your pvp career as a noob has begun. You may take it from there however you please. :)
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Maximillian Bonaparte
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Posted - 2017.03.27 18:21:05 -
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Umm as far as killboard epeening...
I would define KB epeening when someone has a 90% kb efficiency with several thousand kills, but all their fights are 30 plus participants to 100's, and then they show it off. :)
My first year in eve was between RvB and lowsec carebearing exploration, so it is not that great! I am small fry compared to certain solo players even. However we know how to have fun content and win 'most of the time'. There is PvP out there that is not blobbing, station games, or even gate camping. If you dare to come out to lowsec and find it! :)
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Maximillian Bonaparte
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Posted - 2017.03.27 18:30:26 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Maximillian Bonaparte wrote:Eventually you will get a fight, and eventually even win! :) No. The counter-argument has been that NS will flood and wreck LS, if they cant cyno their JFs through it. They are saying that LS cant win that fight.
Your being dumb. NS doesnt care about a damn t1 frigate!
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